Faith Journey: Who Tells Your Story

Guest blog by Florence Dungy

I was very pleased when Gwen asked me to write a piece on any subject that I wanted for her blog….

When I was younger, I thought life was basically random. I grew up in southern Illinois in Carmi, located on the Little Wabash River. The population was around 5,000 people.

Carmi was my dad’s hometown. He was born in 1914 and grew up attending a segregated school and the segregated Mitchell Chapel African Methodist Episcopal (AME) Church. My mom met my dad when she came to Carmi to visit her uncle who lived in nearby Maunie. My parents married in 1943.

My mother had been born in 1919 and raised in Whiteville, in western Tennessee. She also attended segregated schools and was raised in the Bartlett Colored Methodist Episcopal (CME) Church. The name was changed to Christian Methodist Episcopal Church in 1954.

My brother Charles and I were both born in St. Louis, Missouri—he in 1944 and I in 1947. Our family moved back to Carmi in December 1947.

There were very few Black people in Carmi. Charles would integrate Washington School by going to the first grade at age 6. My mom took Charles to school on the first day. When she went back to pick him up, she said she met him already on the way home, happy and skipping down the street. After Charles passed away, several of his classmates wrote me that they remembered meeting him in the first grade.

Growing up, Charles was much more self-assured than I was. He excelled in math and science and played basketball. He was outgoing and everybody liked him. I was concerned with being nice and polite and modest. I liked reading and writing and English.

Our lives in Carmi were integrated in every way except for church. This was a time when most people went to church, which at that time was largely identified as mainline Protestant denominations. I do remember going to Vacation Bible School, concerts, and programs at the White churches, but on Sunday we went to Mitchell Chapel AME Church.

While the theme of the Civil Rights Movement was “We Shall Overcome,” the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr’s oft-repeated observation in 1963 that 11:00 Sunday morning was “the most segregated hour in this nation” was certainly the reality in Carmi.

Mitchell Chapel was located a block off Main Street across the river in East Carmi. The church must have had a guardian angel, for in today’s world it would certainly be condemned as a fire and safety hazard. The church leaned to one side, there was only one entrance, and there was neither running water nor a bathroom. We had an old-fashioned coal stove and one of the men who lived across from the church would go early and make a fire when it was cold.

Not all of the Black people in Carmi attended the church, but they would come to funerals and also to fundraisers. There were probably 15 to 20 of us attending Sunday services, for which I remember getting dressed up and having new outfits for Christmas and Easter programs. We became part of a circuit with two other AME churches in Harrisburg and Carrier Mills, Illinois.

We were pioneers. My mother was the church recording secretary, and my dad was the lay reader and taught Sunday School. On Communion Sunday, we put up the white cloth around the altar and served communion with a chalice, using the silver communion set for the grape juice and wafers.

I remember the Sunday the minister “opened the doors of the church” and Charles walked forward to the altar to join. I followed him, joining the church because he did. Charles was in high school, and I was in junior high. Everybody cried.

We never invited any classmates to the church, and I am sure most people did not know the church existed because of the isolated location. When classmates asked where I went to church, I remember answering in a low voice and not with any pride. I do not remember any of the ministers as being special or giving outstanding sermons. We did not have a choir, but I do remember students from Southern Illinois University in Carbondale coming to sing.

 In the late 1960s, Mitchell Chapel was allowed “to die” with the changing times. My family would be joyfully welcomed into the Carmi First United Methodist Church (FUMC). We had many friends at FUMC and would make new ones. My mom was especially happy and would become very involved in church activities.

When I graduated from Carmi Township High School in 1965, I did not have a plan beyond knowing that I would leave Carmi. I was encouraged and expected to leave by everybody including my parents and teachers. I moved to Champaign, Illinois, to stay with my aunt and attended Illinois Commercial College.

In Champaign, I attended Bethel AME Church. The church had a choir and a good minister, and I could get involved in activities of my own choosing. I knew a few people and made more friends. Most of all I knew the AME liturgy and songs having learned them at Mitchell Chapel AME. I became an usher and taught Sunday School briefly.

Charles was at Eastern Illinois University in nearby Charleston. He would come to Champaign on weekends and practiced teaching math at Champaign Central High School.

There were just a few Black students at the Commercial College. Just before graduation the man who was in charge at the school sent me to talk with the State Director at the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), Farmers Home Administration State Office in downtown Champaign. He offered me a job and I accepted. I had just turned 19 years old. The office was small and convenient to where I lived, was with the federal government, and the employees were friendly and welcoming.

I would at times have challenges working with USDA but it was very beneficial to me overall. I worked with many smart and helpful supervisors and co-workers and made life-long friends. I felt rewarded and USDA enabled me to transfer from Champaign to St. Louis and Washington, DC. I received training, took business trips, and was able to retire after 41 years of service with a pension and health insurance.

When I moved to St. Louis, I joined Centenary United Methodist Church, which was part of the Plaza Square apartment complex where I lived downtown. Centenary was an elegant and historic church. I became a greeter and served on the church board for a year and participated with other programs and activities.

Charles and Gwen had met in college at Eastern, and married in 1967, when I was 20. They now lived not too far from me in suburban St. Louis with their young son Dan, but would later move to the Washington, DC, area. When an opportunity and encouragement came for me to also move to DC three years after they did, I wanted to move but also felt uncertain about doing so.

It would have been easy to stay in St. Louis. The move would take me away from the Midwest and my family, but I also knew I could easily fly home for vacations. DC was expensive and I wondered if I would be able to find an apartment and live in a safe and nice part of the city. I prayed and knew I wanted the transfer. I found a nice and very small apartment in a pleasant part of the city with the help of a friend. Being on the bus route and convenient to the Metro, it was a short commute downtown to work.

I had read about Metropolitan AME Church before I moved to Washington. The church was convenient to where I lived. It was a beautiful and historic church with a storied history and prominent members. Walking in the church, you feel the ancestors. I would come to understand that the AME Church, which was founded in Philadelphia in 1816 by Richard Allen, was about so much more than just segregation. I joined the church and became involved in many activities including ushering, the Love and Peace Missionary Society, the food bank, and serving as a chaplain for a seniors’ club. I took my co-workers to the church on weekdays when the seniors prepared a soul-food lunch.

I came to feel I was following God’s plan for me, which had always been there from the beginning. I would never have joined Metropolitan AME if I had not been raised in Mitchell Chapel AME Church in Carmi.

Watching the Communion Sunday church service online during Covid, I would use the Mitchell Chapel chalice my mom had given me before she passed and really feel the connection between the two churches.

I had been in Washington for 12 years and Metropolitan AME was going through changes. I was ready for a change also. The Washington National Cathedral was close to where I lived in northwest Washington. I had visited and toured the Cathedral and was awed by the beauty and peacefulness of the church and the grounds.

I liked the idea of the Nation’s Church which welcomed everybody. I did not expect to become a Cathedral volunteer or think it was even possible for me. I was not an Episcopalian. I made friends and met with the volunteer coordinator to find my place. I could volunteer at the Cathedral and still keep my membership and participation at Metropolitan AME. I would start as a greeter and become an usher, a lay reader, and volunteer in the gift shop.

My last time with Charles a week before he passed away would be attending a Sunday morning service in the Cathedral. Most people did not know Charles was seriously ill. When he passed away from a rare disease, I wondered why it had been him instead of me. At the end of the play Hamilton, there is a song “Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story.” I felt I survived to tell Charles’ story. I was the only connection to Carmi and our classmates.

I belong to a grief support group and recently we discussed how we would like to be remembered. I would like to be remembered as a Christian hopefully for kindness and outreach and inclusiveness and for understanding and forgiveness for myself and others. I feel blessed for the ways in which God has led, and I pray he will continue to guide me along my journey. 

 Florence Dungy is Gwen Dungy’s sister-in law.

10 responses to “Faith Journey: Who Tells Your Story

  1. This is a great start to sharing your story with the world, but do not stop here. Your story—and the stories of many members of your generation—will be lost or twisted by others if you do not tell them. Consider interviewing friends and family members and writing a book. Even if it is self-published and only family and friends read the book, your memories will become an important touchstone and reference point for the next generation. Everyone needs to know their real version of their origin story.

    • Florence Dungy

      Dear Maggie Culp – Thank you so much for your wonderful and encouraging comments to the story of me and my family. I am so very grateful to Gwen for asking me to write for her blog. It felt freeing to write everything down. I agree we all need to know our real versions of our origin stories. Florence

  2. Hi, dear Florence!!
    I just read your amazing recollection of your life in Carmi and and your awesome career. I will always consider you a “forever friend”! I have fond memories of our high school business classes together.
    I was so happy you and your mother attended our wedding at the Carmi United Methodist Church, June 22, 1968!
    You so graciously received Steve and me at your USDA office, when he met with the Secretary of Agriculture! I wish I remembered what year we were with you in your office. I believe Steve was the Kansas Senate President at the time.
    We are doing well, as we enjoy retired life in southwest Kansas
    . We pray for a long life of health and happiness for you, dear friend!
    God bless you!!
    Barb and Steve

  3. Florence Dungy

    Dear Barb and Steve – Thank you so much for sharing our wonderful memories together and you are my “forever friends” also. I am so very grateful to Gwen for asking me to write for her blog. It felt freeing to write everything down. Glad you are doing well. God bless you also and I pray for you and Steve a long life of health and happiness also, dear friend! God bless you also!! Florence

  4. Jeanne O'Dell

    Thanks for sharing your blog, Florence. I really enjoyed reading it. I remember your church guite well since I grew up in East Carmi across the highway from it. Our classmate, Margaret Burdett, lived in the house right behind it. I was in the same classroom as Charlie from 1st grade thru 6th. Then, in the same class with him from 7th thru high school. Charlie was really nice person. I remember your mom and dad, too.

    • Florence Dungy

      Dear Jeanne – Good to hear from you and thank you so much for your wonderful comments and memories. I knew you were in school with Charlie from 1st grade on but did not remember you lived in East Carmi. I remember Margaret lived in East Carmi. Thanks for remembering my mom and dad. Please share the blog with Margaret and any classmates you think would be interested. I hope all is well with Dale. Florence

  5. Thank you so much for sharing this. Margaret Dungy was the first person I met when I first started attending Carmi First United Methodist Church in the summer of 2000. She was certainly a great lady and I am blessed to have known her.

    • Florence Dungy

      Dear Wilma – It is good to hear from you and thank you very much for your very nice comments and for remembering my mom. She was blessed to have known you also. Writing everything down was freeing. Best Wishes. Florence

    • Nice.

      Gwen Dungy she, her, hers

  6. So much of this resonated with me. Growing up in a small Illinois town where families were often defined by the church they attended. As we move through our life, we take that one piece with us and find those connections through that part of home we carry with us. Sometimes, we grow beyond that familiarity of that piece of home, and even though it’s always a part of us, we adopt new families and parts we continue to carry forward with us. And at the end, it is about all the connections, the parts we carry with us, and how they define us to be remembered. This caused me to think how I will remember my sister, now in her final days. The Plaza brings back so many memories as my grandmother’s best friend from high school retired there. I have not thought about it since I was there in the 1970’s. Great piece and great reflections. Thanks for sharing!

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